Using Expired Lye in Cold Process Soapmaking - Soap Queen (2024)

Using Expired Lye in Cold Process Soapmaking - Soap Queen (1)
When troubleshooting a cold process soap recipe, there are several factors to look at. For instance, if your batch accelerated or riced, it may be the fragrance oil. If the batch is taking longer than usual to trace, it may be a high amount of soft oils, like olive oil, in the recipe. Another thing to investigate is your lye. If lye is past its prime, it can do some odd things in your soap.

Lye is an inorganic compound that is commonly found in drain cleaners. It is highly caustic and can burn the skin if not handled properly. Working with lye requires long sleeves and pants, close-toed shoes, a well-ventilated room, gloves and eye protection. Before handling lye, make sure to watch this Soap Queen TV video on lye safety. The Lye Safety Guide has more information on how to work withit.You need to be fully prepared and follow every safety precaution before getting started.

Using Expired Lye in Cold Process Soapmaking - Soap Queen (2)Working with lye requires safety gear like goggles, glovesandlong-sleeved shirts and pants.

Lye is necessary for the soapmaking process. By definition, soap is a chemical reaction between oil and lye. This reaction is called saponification. During the saponification process, the lye gets used up. That meansit is not present in the bars after they’re cured. Read more about saponification in the Where’s the Lye post.

For soapmaking, lye comes in two types. Sodium hydroxide lye is used to make solid cold process soap. Potassium hydroxide lye is used to make liquid soap. Read more about potassium hydroxide here. Both types of lye are dissolved in a liquid, like distilled water or milk. Make sure to always add the lye to the liquid, not the other way around. If the liquid is added to the lye it can cause a volcano-like reaction.You can use our Lye Calculator to find out how muchlye and liquid to addto your recipe.

Using Expired Lye in Cold Process Soapmaking - Soap Queen (3)Sodium hydroxide lye is used to make solid soap, and potassium hydroxide lyeis used to make liquid soap.

To ensure the lye works properly, we recommend using it within one year of purchasing. It needs to be sealed tightly and stored in a dry place. Lye is hygroscopic, meaning it attracts moisture. If it’s exposed to moisture in the air it won’t be as effective in your recipe, and the soap maynot saponify fully. The lye also needs to be kept in a cool place. It may lose its potency if stored in warmer temperatures. In the Soap Queen Lab, the lye is double sealed and stored in a box that is placed on a shelf. At home you can store it in a cupboard, in your garage, etc. Just make sure it’s clearly marked and out of reach of children.

Using Expired Lye in Cold Process Soapmaking - Soap Queen (4)Make sure to store your lye in a cool, dry place to extend the shelf life.

How can you tell if the lye is expired? The first clue is how it looks. Check out the photo below. The expired lye on the leftis more of a gray, off-white color than the lye on the right. It is also clumping in several spots because it has absorbed moisture from the air.

Using Expired Lye in Cold Process Soapmaking - Soap Queen (5)Above, the expired lye is shown on the left and the fresh lye is shown on the right. Notice the color difference!

Another clue the lye is expired is how it acts when added to water. Whenlye is added to distilled water, it gets really hot – up to 200° F. Expired lye won’t get nearly as hot. Below, we added 2 ounces of freshpotassium hydroxide lyeto 5.3 ounces of distilled water. The fresh lye was about 141° F when it was added to the water and stirred to dissolve. The expired potassium hydroxide lye only reached about 124° F. It also had a slightly cloudy appearance, even after thorough stirring.

Using Expired Lye in Cold Process Soapmaking - Soap Queen (6)If your lye solution does not get very hot, it may be expired. Above, the potassium hydroxide lye solution using expired lye only reached 124° F.

If you notice anything odd happening with your lye, don’t use it in cold process soap. Expired lye doesn’t saponify properly, meaning your soap may notreach trace. Read more about trace in this post. This can also happen if you accidentally usepotassium hydroxide lyein a solid cold process recipe. Make sure to check the label before adding it to your batch. If the soap does trace, it may not set up properly and can be soft or sticky to the touch.

Using Expired Lye in Cold Process Soapmaking - Soap Queen (7)Using expired lye can mean your soap won’t reach trace.

To avoid any wasted soap, make sure to keep your lye tightly sealed in a cool, dry place. We like to mark all of our bottles in the Soap Lab with the date it is opened. That way we can replace the lye after a year to prevent it from going bad. If you used expired lye in your soap and the soap set up, great! The soap is fine to use, albeit a little extra superfatted. If you used expired lye in your soap and your soap did not set up, there is no way to save the soap because we don’t know exactly how much lye it is short. To dispose of the lye,you can mix it with distilled water and pour it down the drain. Lye is actually found in most drain cleaners.If you’re worried about your drain, you can also contact your local waste management services to find out how to dispose of hazardous materials.

How do you store your lye to ensure it stays fresh? Have you ever used expired lye in your soap before?

Using Expired Lye in Cold Process Soapmaking - Soap Queen (2024)

FAQs

Using Expired Lye in Cold Process Soapmaking - Soap Queen? ›

If you used expired lye in your soap and the soap set up, great! The soap is fine to use, albeit a little extra superfatted. If you used expired lye in your soap and your soap did not set up, there is no way to save the soap because we don't know exactly how much lye it is short.

Can you use expired lye for soap making? ›

If you're already using an immersion blender and still have trouble getting your soap to reach trace, check your ingredients. Old, expired lye can cause consistency issues; and living in a humid environment can cause it to weaken even faster.

How long does lye stay in cold process soap? ›

After 24 hours, using gloves remove the soap from the moulds and cut into bars. Leave the bars somewhere to cure for about 4 weeks. You can test if they are done by sticking your tongue on them (yes this is really what you do) to see if the lye is still active.

What happens if you use too much lye in soap making? ›

If you use too much lye, some lye remains in your bar, and it can be irritating to the skin.

Does lye lose potency? ›

Solid Sodium Hydroxide has a longer shelf life and is less prone to degradation over time. The 50% solution may lose potency over extended periods and requires proper storage to maintain its effectiveness.

What happens when sodium hydroxide expires? ›

Poorly stored or old caustic soda can start to decompose, resulting in a decrease in purity. It is best to check the expiration or manufacturing date on the product label to ensure the caustic soda is still within its recommended shelf life.

What is a substitute for lye in soap making? ›

There are plenty of easy ways to make soap without handling lye. With melt-and-pour soaps and rebatched soaps, you're working with a soap base that already has lye completely incorporated into it. You could also replace lye with baking soda to make your own soap.

How to fix lye heavy cold process soap? ›

To correct a lye-heavy batch, shred the soap as finely as possible, using gloves to protect your hands, and add to a slow cooker set on low. Add 1 tablespoon of distilled water and cover. Allow the soap to cook, stirring occasionally, until it has melted into a hom*ogenous solution.

Why didn't my cold process soap harden? ›

The more soft oils (such as olive, sweet almond, rice bran, canola, etc.) the soap contains, the softer the bars will be. It may take more time to harden in the mold. The more hard oils the recipe contains (such as palm, coconut, cocoa butter, beeswax, etc.), the quicker the soap will harden.

What is a good lye percentage for soap making? ›

20% lye concentration: This strong lye solution is typically used for making hard bar soaps like Soap. Club's very own natural bar soaps. 10% lye concentration: This medium lye solution is typically used to make liquid soaps. 5% lye concentration: This lye solution is typically used for making cream soaps.

Why isn't lye used in soap anymore? ›

You can't make real soap without lye. All natural soaps have lye as an ingredient in them; synthetic chemicals can now be used instead of lye (like phthalate-free glycerin), but we wouldn't consider that natural soap because it contains no botanical ingredients or essential oils from plants or flowers.

What are the cons of lye in soap? ›

Lye is a caustic substance that can certainly damage your skin if you're exposed to it. It can cause a number of problems, such as burns, blindness, and even death when consumed.

How can you tell if soap is lye heavy? ›

If the bar “zaps” you, it's likely lye heavy. The feeling is hard to describe, but you'll definitely notice it. Don't do this test if the soap is seeping, as the liquid may be unsaponified lye that can burn your tongue. If the soap doesn't zap you, it's likely safe to use.

What will happen if you use expired soap? ›

Using a soap past its expiry date isn't likely to be a huge safety risk, but it may not work as effectively. You might find it doesn't clean as well or produce that satisfying lather. Using rancid soap can also impact the fragrance and likely make for a less pleasant bathing experience.

Is soap made with lye bad for your skin? ›

Lye is a caustic substance that can certainly damage your skin if you're exposed to it. It can cause a number of problems, such as burns, blindness, and even death when consumed. But, and this is a big but, soap that is created with lye (which is all real soap) will do absolutely no harm to your skin.

Can I use food grade lye for soap? ›

Online suppliers such as Bramble Berry, Wholesale Supplies Plus, and Chemistry Store all offer lye for soap makers. I most often buy Essential Depot 100% pure lye; it's food grade and works great.

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